He kept talking about how "Dramatic" this season is going to be for Tig. I seriously think that Fawn's going to get the axe and Tig's going to go apeshit when that happens. It also kind of depresses me that we're getting so close to the end of the series where everyone will probably die. I knew it was coming but deep down I always hoped that Po' Tiggy would be that weird mothefucker that outlives everyone. It's so unfair that the really cool weirdos always die. I'm cheering for the underdog kind of. 

Hey, did anyone hear something about Juice in Season 5?

I just watched the episode where he tried to kill hmiself. I always loved Juice, he's sweet. And it hurts me to see him like this. What the cops do sucks, all the blackmail shit.

I'm pretty sure that what Juice did won't stay buried....Club is going to find out one way or another. Scares me. I don't wanna see Juice getting killed...by his own club...and I don't wanna see the other kill him...feel bad about everything...

I loved watching season 4 - but I hate what happened....Season 5 is going to be interesting...and sad, I guess....

I keep thinking the same thing too about Tiggy and Fawn. Usually, when a character that isn't a lead gets more attention in other shows, death usually follows. But I hope Kurt takes Tig down the Shane from the Sheild path and kill him in the end.

Otto is going to make an apperance in episode 9. I watched the latest WTF Sutter and Kurt was gettin' all Otto'd and something happens to Juice that Theo needs a stunt double since he was in the chair next to Kurt. And at the Boot Rally thingy the cast did, Theo said that Tig's ass is going to be seen more than once this season. There's a part of me that is praying that they're fucking with us but I'm doubting that.

Yeah stuff doesn't stay secret. Somehow someone will find out that Juice was Potter's bitch. It's like when it took 2 seasons to have Georgie say yeah I killed Luann.

Okay, so tv "critics" have seen the first two episodes from the new season and are starting to post spoilers from it. TV Guide and Michael Ausiello have posted links below and....

http://tvline.com/2012/08/28/walking-dead-season-3-death-spoiler/

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Mega-Buzz-Greys-Mentalist-CSI-Spoilers-1052455.aspx

....seems like Tig is losing one of his spawn probably Fawn but wish it was Dawn. Which isn't much of a spoiler since we all have been thinking that it'll happen. So, yeah there's that.

yeah, to be honest, I don't care about his kids dying. I know that's a good dramatic bit for the show but it's better than him dying.  Nothing bad has happened to Tig so far and to be honest, he did screw up pretty bad so Imean that's really the best outcome as to what happens to that. 

impromptu wedding? HAs Opie moved on already?

Aren't Tara and Jax due to get married?

Yeah they are. It's a Jax and Tara wedding, it has to be. I don't give two shits about that couple lol. I care more about the other characters. 

Oh well, maybe the wedding will be interesting. Maybe Tara gets mad because of nothing and smashes her other hand. Or maybe she gives us a 20min speach about her dream of leaving Charming and the MC life and her big and endless love for Jax, so that she has to ruin her kids and stay with him.

Or, hey, maybe there'll be another drive-by and she gets shot.

I love the sctress, she does a great job! I just don't like Tara^^

Cali law there is a 6 month waiting period after divorce so yeah no Opie wedding again. Unless they do an annulment. It would make sense for Jax and Tara to get married of Wendy is trying to get Abel. Even though Tara has some rights, but not a lot. But as Mrs. Teller part 2, she has a little bit more ground. Of course, I base everything on logic, common sense and some law, where as the writers don't. By all means, when Wendy signed over her rights, she lost any legal footing for Abel. *rant time* Being someone who lives in the substance abuse world whose mother has delt with cases of women who needed to be spayed at birth due to their abuse and horrific mistreatment to their children, my brain has mini strokes every time we see this storyline. Rehabs don't hire people who are fresh into recovery. One here in town used to and then stopped after several employees were caught doing unkosher things with clients. If what Wendy did to Abel was real, she would have been in rehab for 90 days, in a locked facility. With no contact with the kid. Abel would have been placed into CPS care until they conducted an investigataion to make sure the home he was going to was safe. If CPS has some issue with Jax, they would make surprise visits to the house and coming from person experience, they will fucking annoy you until you comply with any demand they make. I got berated by a social for having a messy bed and then lectured by the same bitch after I made a comment on why are my personal actions a form of child abuse. I was a smart ass at 11. Also, if anything, Wendy's case would take years to clear so even if she wanted to be in Abel's life, the court won't allow it since she did abuse him by using during pregnancy. *End rant*

You know, if killing off one of Tig's kids means Coates gets some good screen time I say so be it.

On the topic of kids, I wonder if Opie forgot he had kids. I think the last time he saw them in S4 was at the wedding.

Well, I sometimes even think they forget that Opies Kids can speak and move In most scenes they just stand there and do pretty much nothing.

I also wonder who is watching them, giving them food, picking them up from school...and  when Leila broke up with Opie, I think it was unrealistic that they didn't talk about what would happen to the 3 kids and shit like that.

Come on..hey kids, mommy is dead, here's your new mommy and you new brother.....oh hey, new-mommy and new-bro moved out and disappeared..but we can call grandma again, she can be your mum untill I find another one....^^

Is ist wrong of me to hope that Jax and Tara's wedding takes place in a Waffle House parking lot? 

Oh fuck me

http://www.tignation.net/apps/forums/topics/show/7745524-rumors-and-spoilers-don-t-read-if-you-don-t-wanna-know-?page=2

Seriously, seriously?

Well, EW posted a spoiler about 503, but if you listened real close to Kurt in this week's WTF Sutter, he gave us an insight into whom it might be. Listen again. I think I'm right, and we'll know on Tuesday. In this case, I'm not spoilin'.

Dude, spoiler room, you put spoilers here or you put who you think is going to bite it. The only thing I got from this weeks WTF sutter was the main reason why they did the EW thing is for a cheap ratiing ploy. Yes cheap since he mention the thing about folks DVR'ing it and may be spoiled through Twitter.

Hell, if you go to Ausiello's site before the show sometimes, it spoils the episode in the spoiler column.

I can't remember where I read it, but I'm sure Ryan Hurst said in an interview that he was getting a new love interest - a relation to Henry Lin. Have I got my wires crossed there, is it Juice?